Webinar: Communication Problems in Dementia - Should I See a Speech Pathologist?
Dementia Australia webinars are free videos where subject experts discuss topics relating to dementia for a general audience.
In this webinar, Professor Kirrie Ballard discusses how speech therapy can support people with dementia and their family. The video will help you understand when to speak with a speech pathologist, what they can help with, how they work, and how to find one.
You will learn:
- the types of communication problems associated with dementia.
- common experiences and behaviours with examples.
- what you can expect at clinic visits and prognosis.
Transcript
[Beginning of recorded material]
[Title card: Dementia Australia]
[Title card: Communication problems in dementia – Should I see a Speech Pathologist?]
Professor Ballard: Hello. Today, we're talking about speech language therapy support for people with dementia and their families. First of all, I would like to acknowledge that much of the content for this lecture is based on a co-authored chapter by my two PhD students, Sarah El-Wahsh and Penelope Monroe, and a colleague, associate professor, Fiona Kumfor, at the University of Sydney.
First of all, an overview of the talk. Communication can be affected across the spectrum of dementias, and today, I'll go through components of communication. What is communication? How it interacts with memory? The types and stages of dementia and communication problems that you will see, and the impact of those problems. Also, speech therapy approaches, just a sample, and how they might help, and how you might connect to a speech pathologist.
So, the components of communication. When we want to express our thoughts, our ideas, and communicate with an individual, we go through a set sequence of steps. I will walk you through those now. For example, just say that you noticed this morning that your dog was being chased by the neighbourhood cat, and you want to relay that story to a friend. First of all, you have to retrieve what we call semantics, which are the meanings of words. So, you have a concept for cute, fluffy, says meow, and you have a concept for barks, runs, likes to play with a ball. They're your meanings of concepts. Then you have to generate the sentences to express those concepts to your friend. Are you going to say the cat chase the dog? Or do you want to focus on the dog and say the dog was chased by the cat? Then, you need to retrieve the sounds of those words, K-A-T. And then, finally, all of that comes together to produce movements. We have to generate commands that drive our mouth, our tongue, our lips, to produce those words in that sequence of sentences or words, to produce the sound that our listener will hear and interpret.
This process happens this way when we go to say what we want to say, but also, we're trying to understand what others say to us. So, we hear their articulation, and then we have to match that with our sounds, process their sentences, and extract the meaning of what they're saying to us, so it's both production and comprehension, and memory interacts with this critically all through these processes. So in terms of meanings, we have something called explicit memory, which is memory that we can think about and reflect upon, and it's autobiographical memory for events, what you did, when you saw the dog being chased by the cat, but also other events in your life through your whole life. Facts, things that you know – you know that volcanoes put out lava, but also the words. The mapping of those sounds, K-A-T, to the meaning, fluffy, cute thing that says meow.
Also, sentences. So, we use our memory in terms of remembering the story that we want to tell, and what is the best kind of sentence to express that story. Do we want to focus on the cat or the dog? Are we going to say the cat chase the dog, or the dog was chased by the cat? And so, really about the roles of the characters within our sentence. The sounds, when we are producing these sounds, we have to remember the sounds that match up to the word, but we also have to hold those sounds in memory, and we also have to hold the bits of the sentence in memory so that we can start to unfold the meaning, and make sure our story is making sense. When it comes to movements, though, these are implicit memory. So it's a different kind of memory, and it's a memory that's really automatic. It's what underlies our habits, things that we do automatically, reflexively, without thinking. And speeches that, the movements of speech are automatic routines, and that allows our speech to be extremely fast and fluent.
In terms of dementia, we know that dementia is an umbrella term under which many neurological conditions fall, and the symptoms vary greatly between these types. Most research attention has been given to communication problems in Alzheimer's disease and frontotemporal dementia types. And these are often associated with a particular communication problem called primary progressive aphasia, but they can also just be associated with general communication problems that aren't classified as primary progressive aphasia. So, we're going to focus on those two types, just because that's where most of the work has been done. There has been a lot of work on Parkinson's disease, but much more in terms of speech movement control, not so much on the impact that dementia can have in some individuals.
Many of the speech therapy assessments, and treatments, and services that have been developed for these types are also used in the other dementia types. So, even though I'm talking about those two types particularly, you can expand this out to other types. The communication changes in dementia can occur across all the different components of that communication system I showed you. And initially, the specific communication changes a person with dementia presents with are influenced by their type, the type that they have, because the location of the neuropathology in the brain is usually quite focused early on. However, as a disease progresses, they begin to look a lot more similar.
In the early stage, word finding difficulty is extremely common. It's the most common complaint, alongside memory problems, across the dementia types. So, what you see or experience may be trouble with words, word-finding. So, this is talking around the word, instead of saying “scissors”, you say, “The thing for cutting”. You use vague words like “thing”. Semantic errors, these are errors where you select the wrong words. You try to get the word orange, but apple comes into your head, or you make sound errors. So, you're going for “apple”, but it comes out as “apfle”, which is not a real word. So those things are the most common types of behaviours that you see. Also, you may experience, or a person may experience, formation of sentences changing. So, using shorter, simpler sentences, or sentences that have grammar mistakes, so saying, "John said she was sick," instead of, "John said he was sick", and the person may notice it and try and fix it, or they may not notice it.
Understanding is also an area that can be affected. This can be because the person loses the link between how a word sounds and its meaning, or they may have trouble decoding and hauling it in their memory, so they can't process complex sentences and remember, “Was it the cat doing the chasing or the dog?” So, those two things. They might say things like, "Scissors, oh, what's that?" Or just not be able to interpret those complex sentences. Social language is another thing, and that's something that there is less research in, but it's just as important. And here, you can see people may have trouble keeping a topic of conversation going. They might be flipping around, they may have trouble sharing equally in a conversation, and that could be talking too much, or not enough. Or not interpreting plays on words, so understanding that words can have more than one meaning, and so, missing the humour and sarcasm that we use all of the time in our conversation.
I'm going to jump out and show you a couple of examples of trouble with meanings, trouble with sounds, and trouble with sentences and movement. And these are beautiful videos made available from a group in Britain.
[Plays video 1]
Speaker 1: Your hair stays nice.
Speaker 2: Oh, buddy, it's all right. Oh, my Lord. I thought, "Bang, bang, bang, bang." And I thought, "Oh my God. Oh my." And I thought, "I'll be darned. It's all right."
Speaker 1: Who fixes it for you?
Speaker 2: Dee.
Speaker 1: Dee.
Speaker 2: Who is she?
Speaker 1: Oh, oh, oh, Millie.
Speaker 2: And I saw such-and-such.
Speaker 1: Who's Millie?
Speaker 2: Millie.
Speaker 1: Who's Millie?
Speaker 2: Millie.
Speaker 1: I don't know Millie.
Speaker 2: Oh, no, no, she's gone. She's gone like that.
[End of video 1]
Kirrie: Okay, so that's an example of someone having difficulty with meanings. They're using a lot of vague words. You get what she's talking about, but she's not using very specific words, and doesn't understand the question she's asked. Here is one that is an example of difficulty with sounds, and this person has quite a bit of insight.
[Plays video 2]
Speaker 3: So now, I am actually, am a priest. I'm not actually the vicar, because I don't get paid. I'm not in charge of the parish, but I can take the services. I can't read very well. So, I don't, I haven’t seen a book for about three years. I can't read a book. I can say the words, sometimes, and sometimes I can't. And in a sentence, I can't make it make sense. If even I can say each word, I can't make them say what it's supposed to say. It's just like "Da, da, da, da, da." It doesn’t come, not as if, it doesn't mean anything. And I can't remember just everyday words. It's not like when you can't remember somebody's name. It's not like that. It's just a word like table or the window, or things you've said for all your life, and suddenly you can't, and then one day scalf-, there's one word I can never remember, called (indecipherable). Actually, I can't even say it, and I know what it is. When they're in a building, they have the [indecipherable], whatever it is.
[End of video 2]
Kirrie: Scaffolding is the word she's looking for. And one more example, which is showing difficulty with sentences that are a lot shorter, and speech is a lot slower and less fluent.
[Plays video 3]
Speaker 4: It affects the telephone most, and I used to wave my hands about, and facial expressions, I can't do anything like that on the phone.
[End of video 3]
Kirrie: Okay, so that last one, which was more about complex sentences and movement is less common in Alzheimer's type dementia, where typically, it's more about sounds and comprehension, having trouble with reading, but also, possibly these vague words and reduced understanding. So, in the middle stages of progression in these conditions, the person may experience increasing difficulties with their communication changes, and this will obviously lead to greater limitations in everyday activities. For example, both speaking and understanding might become more difficult, and the person with dementia may begin to speak less. And then in the later stage of the disease, understanding of language and verbal output may become very limited, with significant difficulty making needs, and wants, and thoughts, and feelings known, and really having to communicate through other modalities, being quite passive and not having rich interactions.
And obviously, these changes can be overwhelming for both the person with dementia, and the people around them, their loved ones, their carers. And this can impact, both, the person with dementia, and those people around them in terms of loss of friendships, changing in relationships, loss of intimacy, reduced quality of life, depression, and social isolation, and loneliness. And it's very important to be thinking of these and trying to manage these, both for the person with the dementia, and for the carers.
A speech pathologist is a vital part of the multidisciplinary team in dementia care, as they're experts in assessment, management of communication. And as we've just seen, communication impairments can occur across the whole period of the disease, and have a significant impact on multiple people. So, at present, referral to speech pathology for communication changes in dementia is remarkably uncommon in Australia. However, a speech pathologist can and should be involved at every point of the journey, even if they're not showing sentence problems or meaning problems, the interaction component can be critically important, and we can help with that. And so, there is no single gold standard assessment to assess communication and dementia. There are lots of different assessments out there that can be used. We do a comprehensive battery of assessments, and we try to cover all stages of the World Health Organisation's International Classification of Functioning, disability, and health, called the ICF.
So, I've talked very much about changes or impairments in body functions and structures, so the actual problems in sentences and meaning and so on, but we also evaluate how that impacts on the ability of a person to do the activities in their daily life, whether it be talking with their grandkids, or their spouse, or still being at work, and how that affects whether they can participate socially and in their workplace. We also look at environmental and personal factors – so is the person living at home or in a residential facility? Do they have a really strong support network around them or not? And personal factors, how motivated are they? What is their memory like? What is their insight like? Those sorts of things, whether they have other medical conditions going on as well.
We can help in quite a lot of areas that are all associated with communication. So here is a summary: speaking, finding words, making your verbal output more organised and efficient, listening, understanding what others say, reading and writing skills, social communication skills, all about the interaction, communication aids, when you need some other method to support your speaking or listening. So, whether you need to be learning some gestures, or whether there are some apps you can put on your phone to help with your communication, whether you need some picture books to support getting a conversation going and helping your listener understand what you're saying.
Critically, we do a lot of work in partner training. Partners, often, an interaction between a person with dementia and their primary carer, their spouse or whoever, the communication can be quite dysfunctional because the carer doesn't know how to deal with these communication changes, and we can help make that easier. Also, speech pathologists are the key people who are involved in swallowing difficulties, which sounds a little bit different to all of these other things, but we are the experts in helping individuals with the movement process of eating, chewing, managing liquids, making sure you don't choke or have fluids falling into your airway. And so, if there are any swallowing problems, usually later on, then we get involved to make sure everything is safe, and working with nutritionist and so on, to make sure nutrition is maintained whilst safety is critically ensured.
As a speech pathologist, we have two primary approaches and these map onto that ICF framework in terms of impairments, activities, and participation. We have impairment-based treatments, particularly, we use these in the early and possibly middle stages, where we actually go in and look at what are the communication skills that are affected. And we work on those communication skills, and we know that we can actually improve them, even though this is a progressive condition, people often start to compensate for these difficulties, but not in very effective ways. So, we can come back in and help them build some skills back up again. And, of course, it is a progressive condition. So, what we are doing here is just trying to prolong, as long as possible, prolong communication function, because ultimately, people want to speak, they want to still be able to communicate through speaking. So, we are trying to prolong that function as long as possible, and sometimes, this can actually help someone stay at work a little bit longer. It's not uncommon that people say communication problems are a major factor in deciding to leave work early.
Compensatory treatments are our other approach, and that is trying to circumvent the lost communication function, or the impaired communication function. So, we are looking at what other intact skills are there that a person can bring to make their communication more effective. And also, this is critically where we bring in the communication partners and do this partner training. So, we are trying to help partners support the individual to be more engaged in communication and social interaction, because we know that's at the heart of quality of life and wellbeing. To give you an example of a couple of these interventions, speaking and finding words, we call these word retrieval therapies, and we're typically in the early and middle stages, where we work with an individual and their family to find the personally relevant vocabulary they need to work on. We have a number of techniques giving the first sound, identifying features of the word, practising retrieval through gradually giving them the word to imitate, and then having them gradually take longer and longer to imitate that word so that, finally, they're doing it by themselves. And also, what we call errorless learning, which is, well, we do ongoing high intensity practise, but errorless learning is used, which is making sure that they're getting really, really high success rates. And so, that ongoing high practise of these different techniques can really help. And research evidence shows us that practise in meaningful activities really makes the effects stronger, last longer, and also, people with stronger motivation, memory, insight, and better support networks typically get a greater benefit.
Another area is working on organised and efficient output, and this is usually what we call narratives and scripts. So, when we go out to coffee, we tell stories to our friends about things that have happened. And so, they're narrative. And scripts are things like you might be wanting to give a speech at your daughter's wedding that's coming up, so a script is essentially a script that you're going to practise, practise, practise, so that you can tell that script at the wedding. So, one is much more free, and the other is a really wrote/learnt script. So, we co-develop these important narratives and scripts that are for real life activities. They, again, involve really consistent intensive practice, and they work on all of those things – meanings of words, sentences, understanding, but also social interaction, and making sure your story makes sense. We have techniques such as imitating, reading together simultaneously, and then independent recital, which really help people solidify their production, and there are apps to support this as well now.
What we find with research is that these narrative and script approaches improve the fluency of people's speech, and also, they produce fewer repetitions, revisions, and hesitations as they're going through, because the words are coming more easily. Another strategy that's used a lot, not just by speech pathologists, but is development of memory and picture books. And here, it's really a focus on how you can use these to support communications. So these, again, early and middle stages, collection of labelled memorabilia to stimulate and maintain conversations. And again, it's co-constructed with the clinician, and the person with dementia and their carers, and it's highly personalised for that individual. We often take those narratives and scripts and put them to pictures, put them into the memory book, and then, the person can use the memory book to support them telling that story when they go out to coffee with their friends, for example.
Again, research has shown us that memory books facilitate improved content in people's language, the amount of time they talk, and the frequency with which they talk, improves their meaningful social interaction, their closeness with carers, and reduces frustration, confusion, depression, aggression, and the anxiety related to memory and communication problems. And finally, I'll talk about communication partner training, which tends to be done later in the middle and later stages. It's delivered in pairs, so a person with dementia and their carer, or in groups, and it can be a spouse, or a grown child, or grandchild, or it could be a health professional in a residential facility. And it's delivered by a speech pathologist, and often, also a psychologist. And it works on developing the partner's skills and strategies for improving communication.
It includes education on what causes these problems, what do they look like, what's happening, how they affect communication and make it breakdown, as well as how this is going to change over time. And also, it involves teaching the communication partners meaningful skills, for example, language-based skills like reducing your sentence length, and the complexity of your sentences, and the complexity of the words that you use. And working together in conversations to help the person with dementia elaborate what they're saying and contribute more. Also, non-language-based communication skills like the tone of the voice that you use, the time you give the person to give their response so you're not rushing, tolerating silence, so that a person has time to formulate their response, making sure there's good eye contact, maybe gesturing, and really being positive and encouraging, and also, making environmental modifications, so making sure that when you are going to have these conversational interactions that you minimise distractions. Choose a good time of day when the person is much fresher and receptive, and so on.
These sorts of things, these are systematic treatment programs that people have developed. So, connecting with speech pathology. In summary, communication changes can occur from early in the dementia journey, and will become more prominent as time goes on. And these changes have a significant impact. Communication is what makes us human, it's how we engage with the world. And so, it has a significant impact on both the person with dementia, and the people around them. And speech pathologists can, and really should, be involved at every stage of this process because we can assess, diagnose, treat, and manage these communication symptoms. And we have several evidence-based interventions that can be used at different points of the dementia journey to improve the quality and effectiveness of communication.
How do you find us? That's the challenge. So here are four options. You can tell, don't ask, tell your GP or your neurologist if you want to speak with a speech pathologist, and you may just want to speak with them to say, "Look, this is happening, is that okay? Or is there something we could do?" So, it could just be a consult to get advice, but speech pathologist is the best person to give you that advice in terms of communication. The other option is you can go straight to the National Association's website, Speech Pathology Australia, and the link is here, and you click on resources for the public, and find a speech pathologist, and it brings up this window here where you can enter your postcode, the distance you want to travel, or whether you want a mobile service that comes to your house, your age, your condition. Here, dementia, and it will show you all the speech pathologists who are registered in that area that work in the field of dementia. Unfortunately, most people working in dementia are private speech pathologists, which is quite expensive.
There's another site as well, Karista, that you can do the same thing and it will show you a smaller set of practises in your area. There are also university speech pathology clinics that, not all of them, but some of them do have clinics for working with individuals and families dealing with dementia. For example, at the University of Sydney, we have a clinic that works specifically with people who have primary progressive aphasia that results from Alzheimer's dementia or frontotemporal dementia. So, you can contact universities as well, the speech pathology clinic. Finally, do you need a referral? Well, actually no, you don't need a referral to see a speech pathologist. You can just call them up.
However, the last point here is you'll need to visit a GP if you need to be assessed for eligibility for Medicare rebates through the Chronic Disease management program, if you're eligible. It is expensive to have private speech therapy if you're paying out of your pocket. Public services through hospital outpatients are free, but they're very difficult to get into because hospital speech pathologists have to prioritise in-patients. Services through the university clinic are often free, or at least a reduced cost, so I will end there, and thank you for listening.
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